Processing and Transferring Vision 200T

[mattias]

erm, the "deja.com forum" isn't exactly the deja.com forum. aside from the fact that they sold the site to google, it's just another usenet news archive. go read your favorite internet faq to learn more about usenet. you don't consider email being owned by hotmail do you? ;-)

[chas_ucla]

So sorry Matty,
I was in a hurry and couldn't remember the exact title of the s-8 usenet. Since I saw someone else listing it as the "deja forum" in the past I assumed that people would know what I meant.

Sorry to have offended you.
Maybe we can can back to the topic now?

[pcg]

Applecore,

That last comment is meaningless in the context of everything that preceded it.

But if you're saying no one is going to use Vision, you're wrong. I'm already shooting Vision 200. I have a lab that's processing it. I intend to have it transferred to digital format in the next week.

And I suggest you support Yale w/ all of your work. Censors thrive wherever people support their work, or wherever people are not brave enough to shout it down. So go for it: they need you.

/Pat

[pcg]

Applecore,

'Sorry for the strong comments.

I just despise censorship. No one has a right to judge my imagery or ideas.

Yale needs to get it straight: they sloosh chemicals around & ask me to pay them for their expertise, not for their ability to think about film or art. Their censorship is one step into a something patently evil.

And I take back my suggestion that they need you: don't be tempted to take your work to Yale...

/Pat

[AppleCore24]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pcg:
Applecore,

That last comment is meaningless in the context of everything that preceded it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Huh? You mean the "I think it will be a while until many more places come forward to process it" thing? Yes, it was, I was trying to get back on topic. I hope I didn't offend you.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pcg:
But if you're saying no one is going to use Vision, you're wrong. I'm already shooting Vision 200. I have a lab that's processing it. I intend to have it transferred to digital format in the next week.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great! I just placed a big order from Kodak. Do you mind sharing the name of your processing place? Was it CineLab? Do they have a website? I would like to check them out. Thanks!

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pcg:
And I suggest you support Yale w/ all of your work. Censors thrive wherever people support their work, or wherever people are not brave enough to shout it down. So go for it: they need you.

/Pat<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Was this sarcasm? I'm guessing it was. I never said that censorship was right. I said we are not forced to use Yale Labs. I don't use them - I much preferred Film & Video Services processing of my last project to Yale's. And as I said, most of the suff I shoot wouldn't get through, even if I wanted to use them. About Yale all I said was that, unless they are the ONLY place processing Vision 200T, there is nothing wrong with not wanting to process questionable material. I commend them for the strength to be able to do that. And there is no question that there is nothing morally wrong with that as long as they are not the only source to recieve something.

Let me know about your processing place! Also, do you know of a place that can put the negative onto super8 reversal film? Thanks!

[AppleCore24]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pcg:
Applecore,

'Sorry for the strong comments.

I just despise censorship. No one has a right to judge my imagery or ideas.

Yale needs to get it straight: they sloosh chemicals around & ask me to pay them for their expertise, not for their ability to think about film or art. Their censorship is one step into a something patently evil.

And I take back my suggestion that they need you: don't be tempted to take your work to Yale...

/Pat

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lol, it's no problem. I get attacked alot on MB's, but that's okay. I also despise censorship - but I don't think they actually do censor. Because, you can still get your "edgy" material processed, just not with them because they simply don't want to do it. Do you see what I'm saying? This is really my point. I personally don't really like their work, and most of my stuff wouldn't make it through. But it is their right to process what they want to, even if we don't agree with it. And as long as they don't hinder me from getting my stuff processed anywhere, then I will leave them be just as they leave me be.

This is really all I meant, sorry if it came out any different.

[AppleCore24]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by chas_ucla:
Sorry to have offended you.
Maybe we can can back to the topic now?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hehe, yeh that would be nice. I bet it will be a couple of months before we see many more people coming forward to process and/or transfer the vision stock...

[Alex]

Wouldn't it be funny if Yale has a tape of banned footage that they show customers so they better understand what will be banned!

Still, the problem is what if you give them material to process, they don't like the content, what do they do, confiscate your material????

Has this actually happened to anyone, or are you warned first....

Also, Yale should have a different policy for transferring as they do for developing...

When developing film it's harder to define what the content is, when you transfer, either as dailies, or as an edited film, content is easier to determine....

Also, do they look at every foot of film they develop...>

At some point, couldn't there be theft of intellectual ideas, they get to see stuff that perhaps you are keeping under wraps for a big screening.

Are they sworn to secrecy over anything they view....

And ironically enough, I know of one instance where one of Yale's employees went nosing around at another Transfer facility without revealing who they were....if that isn't intellectual theft....

However, my biggest concern is, what if they scratch your footage as they look at it to approve it.

Super-8 is delicate and dust bunnies must be avoided.

(talk about a wimpy conclusion)

-Alex

[Alex]

If I could rewrite Yale's policy...

Yale will confiscate all films that depict underage actors performing or simulating any sexual act or situation.

Yale will also confiscate "adult-movies"
that depict adults engaging in sex-acts.

Yale will also confiscate prejudicial movies that create the idea that any race is better than any other race. (the issue of prejudice is not mentioned anywhere in their current novellette)

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Frankly, the all encompassing every nook and cranny warning Yale currently employs is the most OBSCENE of all.

-Alex

[pcg]

As Rollemfilm said in a recent post:

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/Pat